The Unburdened Leader Podcast #81. Beyond Optics: Leadership and Meaningful Inclusion

Interview with Rebecca Ching on The Unburdened Leader podcast. I speak about:

  • Why a seat at the table isn’t enough

  • How organizations can move beyond optics to do the work towards true inclusion

  • How urgency, perfectionism, shame, and fragility create barriers to progress

  • And more!

Aired June 23, 2023.

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